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Title: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Toshi on December 17, 2009, 11:06:39 PM
Hi mates this topic is being started to distiguish between fundamental analysis and Technical analysis.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Toshi on December 17, 2009, 11:07:57 PM
First of all technical analysis is not better than fundamental analysis and neither is fundamental analysis better than technical analysis .They are tools used for forecasting data. The stock market displays information in numbers and to get a nibble at the pot of money just waiting to be grabbed needs astute understanding of numbers ,which means decoding the numbers back into information in order to make sound financial decisions.

Why compare the two and try to determine which is better than the other ? Its just a matter of how skilled and passionate you are in the analytical tool used by you. At times fundamentals will forecast prices before technical charts support the view and vice versa.

The only subtle difference i can point out is that fundamentals are not of much use when it comes to day trading (perhaps i could be wrong because of lack of adequate skill in analyzing Free Cash Flows). On the other hand technical analysis can be put to good use for day trading.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Toshi on December 17, 2009, 11:11:15 PM
1. Fundamental Analysis - This is basically analyzing a company by using a suitable valuation approach (DCF, Relative valuation or contingent claim valuation) or by following methodological analysis (top down approach etc ). What you get out of this is whether a stock is trading at a cheap or expensive valuation. Comparing these with its historical levels, one can argue to Buy/Sell the stock. However, this approach is not suitable for trading or speculating. This is most suitable when a participant is looking to invest in the stock (1-5 Years)

2. Technical Analysis - This is basically trying to gauge the market sentiment and study current price action to forecast what lies ahead for the stock. Under this an analyst mainly studies price patterns, reversal patterns, indicator values, price behavior and other valuable data to decide on whether to buy/sell the stock. This is suitable for trading, investing and to some extent speculating (that is if you are an informed speculator).

3. Technical Vs Fundamental - Well, every analyst would have a different perspective on this. My take on this is that both are best when they are put together. This is something that works for me. However, it might be exactly opposite for you. Hence, use and understand both and then decide which method suites your trading style the best.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Learner7 on December 22, 2009, 10:49:57 PM
Fundamental Analysis :  

One has to study every thing beginning from the overall economy of the country, foreign affairs, political condition, law and order situation, central bank's policies and reports etc.

Financial condition, potential future growth of the company and Management of the company should be analyzed minutely before taking the final decision.
 
Financial statements are gold mine of fundamental analysis. It involves looking at historical performance data to estimate future performance. Revenue, Expenses, Assets, Liabilities and all other financial aspects help to understand the future performance of the company.


Annual Report:
Annual report provides an insight to the company's yearly performance. Annual reports include a balance sheet, income statement, auditor's report, and a description of the company's operation. We find most important data in the annual and quarterly reports released by the management.

Financial statements are required by law and must include a balance sheet, income statement, and a statement of cash flows and auditors report and relatively detailed description of the company's operations and prospects for the upcoming year.

Seeing annual reports an investor assesses the company by its profitability, growth, stability and the rate of dividends.


Balance Sheet:
The balance sheet highlights the financial status of a company at a single point in time. This is important, the cash flow and income statements record performance over a period of time. While a balance sheet is a snap shot in time.


Income Statement:
The income statement is the most popular financial statement in an annual or quarterly report. The income statement includes figures such as revenue, net income and earning per share (EPS).


Statement Of Cash Flow:
Cash Flow is similar to the Income Statement in that it records a company's performance over a specified period of time, usually over the quarter or year. The difference between the two is that the income statement also takes into account some non-cash accounting item such as depreciation. The cash flow statement strips away all of this and tells you how much actual money the company has generated. Cash Flow shows us how the company has performed in managing inflows and out flows of cash. It provides a sharper picture of the company's ability to pay bills, creditors, and finance growth.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Learner7 on December 22, 2009, 10:55:21 PM
Technical Analysis:

Technical Analysis is a method of evaluating securities by analyzing statistics generated by market activity, past prices, and volume. Technical analysts look for patterns and indicators on stock charts that will determine a stocks future performance.

Technical analysis has become popular over the years, as more and more people are convinced that historical performance of a stock is a strong indication of future performance.

The use of past performance should not be a big surprise. People using fundamental analysis have always looked at the past performance by comparing fiscal data from previous quarters and years to determine future growth.

The difference lies in the technical analyst’s belief that securities moves with a very predictable trends and patterns. These trends continue until something happens to change the trend, and until this change occurs, price levels are predictable. Some technical analysts claim that they can be extremely accurate majority of the time. There are many instances of investors successfully trading securities with only the knowledge of its chart and without even understanding what companies do.

Technical analysis is a terrific tool, but most agree that it is much more effective when combined with fundamental analysis.

Every thing that affect market price is ultimately reflected in market price, whether it is underlying forces of supply and demand, fundamentals, political, psychological news etc, it all reflects in the price of the market.

If everything that affect market price is ultimately reflected in the market price, then the study of the market price is all the more necessary. By studying price charts and a number of supporting technical indicators, the chartist can forecast which way the market is likely to go .It is doubtful that any one could trade off the fundamentals alone with no consideration of the technical analysis. The advantage of technical analysis is that one can also analyze stock index, futures, options, currencies etc, without going into fundamentals.

 
Support and Resistance:

Support:
Prices move in a series of peaks and troughs, and the direction of peaks and troughs determine the trend of the market.

The troughs, or reaction lows, are called support. Support is a level or area on the chart under the selling pressure. As a result, a decline is halted and market where buying interest is sufficiently strong to overcomand by a previous reaction low.prices turn back again. Usually a support level is identified beforeh


Resistance:
Resistance is the opposite of support and represents a price level or area over the market where selling pressure overcomes buying pressure and a price advance is turned back. Usually a previous peak identifies a resistance level.


Trend:
Market moves in a trend. The trend is simply the direction of the market. Market moves in zigzags. These zigzags resemble a series of successive waves with fairly obvious peaks and troughs. It is the direction of those peaks and a trough that continues market trend. Whether those peaks and troughs are moving up, down, or sideways tells us the trend of the market. Trend is usually broken down into three categories, i.e. major, intermediate and near term trend.

Major trend is usually for a year or so.

*Intermediate trend is usually for three weeks or more.
*The near term trend is usually defined as anything less than two or three weeks.

Each trend becomes a portion of its next larger trend. For example, the intermediate trend would be a correction in the major trend. In a long term up trend, the market pauses to correct itself for a couple of months before resuming its upward path. Secondary correction would itself consist of shorter waves that would be identified as near term dips and rallies.

 
Trend Lines:
The basic trend line is one of the simplest of the technical tools employed by the chartist, but is also one of the most valuable. An up trend line is a straight line drawn upward to the right along successive reaction lows. A down trend line is drawn downward to the right along successive rally peaks.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Learner7 on December 22, 2009, 11:01:47 PM
Trading Guidelines / TIPs:    

>>>   Trade in the direction of the intermediate trend.

>>>   In up trends, buy the dips, in downtrends, sell the bounces.

>>>   Let profits run, cut losses short.

>>>   Use protective stops to limit losses.

>>>   Don't trade impulsively, have a plan.

>>>   Plan your work and work your plan.

>>>   Use money management principles.

>>>   Diversify, but don't over do it.

>>>   Employ at least a 3 to 1 reward-to-risk ratio.

>>>   When pyramiding (adding position), Follow these guidelines.

>>>   Each successive layer should be smaller then before.

>>>   Add only to winning positions.

>>>   Never add to a losing position.

>>>   Adjust protective stops to the breakeven point.

>>>   Never meet a margin call, don't throw good money after bad.

>>>   Close out losing positions before the winning ones.

>>>   Except for very short term trading, make decisions away from the market, preferably when the
markets are closed.

>>>   Work from the long term to the short term.

>>>   intraday charts to fine tune entry and exit

>>>   Master intraday trading before trying intraday trading

>>>   Learn to be comfortable being in the minority. If you're right on the market, most people will disagree with you.

>>>   Technical analysis is a skill that improves with experience and study. Always be a student and keep learning.

Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Karuli on January 20, 2010, 08:25:17 PM
Very very good Trading Guidelines / TIPs thank you Learner7
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Learner7 on January 20, 2010, 09:41:36 PM
Very very good Trading Guidelines / TIPs thank you Learner7

Karuli bhai, pleasure, thanks.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Big Broker on April 11, 2010, 10:58:33 PM
Select fundamental sound company and enter / exit technically ! - keep it simple.  :banana:
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Farzooq on January 24, 2011, 12:31:28 PM
THE CHICKEN (TECHNICALS) AND THE EGG (FUNDAMENTALS)

An interesting question for swing traders is as follows:

"Which comes first: the technicals or the fundamentals?"

In other words, which is the chicken and which is the egg? An analysis of the recent behavior of Emulex (ELX) should help us to answer this question.

The relationship between fundamental analysis and technical analysis can be puzzling. My take on this issue is that the fundamentals are the "cause" and the technicals are the "effect." In other words, important changes in a company's sales and earnings outlook or fundamental changes represent the "cause." Investors then respond to these items by buying or selling the stock. These purchases are reflected in a stock's price chart, which constitutes the "effect." In that sense, the fundamentals are the chicken, since the cause must come before the effect.

Looked at another way, the reverse is true. A stock's chart pattern often anticipates important changes in sales and earnings. In this manner, changes in chart patterns can alert watchful technicians to key changes in fundamental outlooks days (and in some cases even weeks) before they become public knowledge. From this perspective, the one I personally believe, the technicals are the chicken and the fundamentals are the egg
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Farzooq on January 24, 2011, 12:38:28 PM
Fundamentals vs technicals, which approach is right for you?

the fundamentals are very important. Without fundamentals the markets would not move, they would just stay flat and that’s no fun.

Fundamentals drive the market and that’s true today just as it was true when trading first began.

So what about the technicals, should we just push them aside and forget about them? I think not. The technicals help in timing the fundamentals. More importantly the technicals point to when you should exit a position when a market turns.

Getting the trend right is what’s important in trading. We’ve said this many times before that they don’t ring a bell at the top or bottom of the market. Often times the fundamentals look the most bullish at the top and the most bearish at the bottom market. When a market pulls back, fundamentalists see this as another great buying opportunity and sometimes they are right. However, some of these buying opportunities can turn into disasters when a market makes a major turn

When you look at the markets through technical eyes, you can quickly spot changes in direction that aren’t obvious in fundamental terms. Fundamentalists, much to the detriment of the general public, tend to get married to their analysis and positions and feel obligated to defend their viewpoint at all costs. That’s what happened in the case above. The newsletter writer could not admit to himself that the market had changed and was going down

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Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Farzooq on January 24, 2011, 12:48:13 PM
Trader's Corner: Finding The Magic Mix Of Fundamentals And Technicals

Anyone who has relied on "hot" news or company fundamentals to buy a stock knows that this practice often leads to disappointing results. The reason is simple. Fundamental analysis data lags the market. Earnings news can be as much as over a month old when released. In the majority of cases, by the time news announcements are made, the stock has usually already made its move.

Also, what if the fundamentals change? Most fundamental investors maintain the belief that it is better to hold onto a stock through thick and thin and hope the company recovers once better times return. But as we saw through the 2000 – 2002 bear market correction and all bear markets before it, this approach can lead to complete disaster.

The continued popularity of the traditional buy-and-hold strategy is due in no small part to the 18-year bull that ended in 2000. During this market, the buy-and-hold approach to investing worked great, but then so did throwing darts. It was only when the market turned to a bear that the fundamental flaw in this method became obvious.

Lastly, fundamental investors generally do not use stop losses to protect profits. Worse, those adopting a value approach employ the practice of averaging down, using the rationale that the cheaper a stock gets, the greater its value. This only serves to compound losses when a market is in plunge mode.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, technical analysis ignores fundamentals altogether and focuses strictly on technical indicators and chart patterns. While an excellent method of short-term trading, it can lead to losses in longer-term trades unless the trader continually readjusts profit targets and stop-losses. Also, this type of on-going maintenance may not be everyone's cup of tea and can cause unnecessary stress.

In reality, unless you are a pure technical trader employing very short time horizons to day trade or swing trade, using one method of analysis while ignoring the other is like trying to win a boxing match with one hand tied behind your back.

Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Poker Face on January 24, 2011, 05:48:04 PM
THE CHICKEN (TECHNICALS) AND THE EGG (FUNDAMENTALS)

An interesting question for swing traders is as follows:

"Which comes first: the technicals or the fundamentals?"

In other words, which is the chicken and which is the egg? An analysis of the recent behavior of Emulex (ELX) should help us to answer this question.

The relationship between fundamental analysis and technical analysis can be puzzling. My take on this issue is that the fundamentals are the "cause" and the technicals are the "effect." In other words, important changes in a company's sales and earnings outlook or fundamental changes represent the "cause." Investors then respond to these items by buying or selling the stock. These purchases are reflected in a stock's price chart, which constitutes the "effect." In that sense, the fundamentals are the chicken, since the cause must come before the effect.

Looked at another way, the reverse is true. A stock's chart pattern often anticipates important changes in sales and earnings. In this manner, changes in chart patterns can alert watchful technicians to key changes in fundamental outlooks days (and in some cases even weeks) before they become public knowledge. From this perspective, the one I personally believe, the technicals are the chicken and the fundamentals are the egg


two good examples are SHEL and AICL. two bad examples are LOTPTA 6.95 and APL 285.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: saifullahkhan7 on October 12, 2012, 09:56:04 PM
Farzooq Bhai, Poker Bhai, I think in KSE there are three factors that you have to keep in mind while making a decision about a stock:

1- Company Related News (Fundamental Analysis)
2- Reaction of the People to the News (Normally Fear and Greed) (Technical Analysis)
3- Games of the Market Makers (specially AKD and Arif Habib) (Manipulation)

For me it works like that this, Good News will come, people will get greedy, market makers will cause the market to slump initially and will accumulate, than there will be a rally. In event of bad news, the typical pump and dump technique will be used.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Dehan on October 12, 2012, 10:12:42 PM
Farzooq Bhai, Poker Bhai, I think in KSE there are three factors that you have to keep in mind while making a decision about a stock:

1- Company Related News (Fundamental Analysis)
2- Reaction of the People to the News (Normally Fear and Greed) (Technical Analysis)
3- Games of the Market Makers (specially AKD and Arif Habib) (Manipulation)

For me it works like that this, Good News will come, people will get greedy, market makers will cause the market to slump initially and will accumulate, than there will be a rally. In event of bad news, the typical pump and dump technique will be used.

Fundamental and Technical Analysis are not ones u mentioned above. Please search and get the correct definitions. In the gamers the No 1 is missing JS Uncle.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Sharjeel on March 28, 2013, 05:00:17 PM
In the hope of learning something about the market... can anybody tell me about the form of KSE market. I mean If I have a news about any company (no matter bad or good)  should I assume that everybody in the market knows the same thing. If yes then How can we benefit from news???
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: 007 on July 20, 2013, 10:47:48 PM
In the hope of learning something about the market... can anybody tell me about the form of KSE market. I mean If I have a news about any company (no matter bad or good)  should I assume that everybody in the market knows the same thing. If yes then How can we benefit from news???

kse is not an efficient market, sari game inside news ki hee hai
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: 07585 on July 26, 2013, 07:06:43 AM
I agree partly. Those satta stocks ki game inside news hai baki the fundamentally sound stocks, it takes both a fundamental analysis and a trend analysis with common sense, because believe me i dont know anyone in the market who tells me inside news, i just sit and trade from home just looking at stocks fundamentally and general news eg political etc.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analyst Group on April 25, 2015, 05:02:12 PM
There are  many people who asked in loud voice to sell PAEL at the price of 55 and then at 50 and now I am sure they will recommend people to buy at 65-66 level. I can never understand the mentality of those people. People who sold at 55 and buy at 65-66 are the winners or people who kept it at 50 and did not sell & still keeping it at 63-65 level for future growth are the winners? If you say to avoid unrealized loss, so as everyone know unrealized loss is nothing If someone knows and have faith that the price will go to lets say 80. Then a wise thing is to keep it even in temporary dips or buy it at 65. If you keep it from 50 level, it means total profit is Rs 30. If you buy at 66, profit is Rs 14 and loss is Rs 16 for not keeping it between 50 to 66 level. Brokerage cost in buying and selling and capital gain tax is other expenses. If you do not believe on your buying, then you have this kind of decisions or if you are purely a day trader and fear of 1 week unrealized loss.

Yes If you have a plan to exit from a share at some point and re-enter if it goes down to certain level. This is quite understandable. But if you buy some share at 57 and it goes to 61 and then due to market crash it takes a dip and you ask those people to sell at 50 and make loss and buy at 65 is totally beyond any investor understanding. Why to keep a realized loss when they can avoid this realized loss by keeping it with patience. But this one can only do if they have believe according to the financial that this is temporary dip and its fair value is much higher than this.

I am not talking particularly people on this forum, I am talking in general. Please people on this forum do not take it personal. If they want to debate on this one, they are welcome. But my this post is not particularly about any person. Apart from pakinvestorguide, I have seen a lot of people doing this during that market crash. I think those people cannot read financial or cannot understand financial of any company.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: SBM on April 25, 2015, 05:14:31 PM
There are  many people who asked in loud voice to sell PAEL at the price of 55 and then at 50 and now I am sure they will recommend people to buy at 65-66 level. I can never understand the mentality of those people. People who sold at 55 and buy at 65-66 are the winners or people who kept it at 50 and did not sell & still keeping it at 63-65 level for future growth are the winners? If you say to avoid unrealized loss, so as everyone know unrealized loss is nothing If someone knows and have faith that the price will go to lets say 80. Then a wise thing is to keep it even in temporary dips or buy it at 65. If you keep it from 50 level, it means total profit is Rs 30. If you buy at 66, profit is Rs 14 and loss is Rs 16 for not keeping it between 50 to 66 level. Brokerage cost in buying and selling and capital gain tax is other expenses. If you do not believe on your buying, then you have this kind of decisions or if you are purely a day trader and fear of 1 week unrealized loss.

Yes If you have a plan to exit from a share at some point and re-enter if it goes down to certain level. This is quite understandable. But if you buy some share at 57 and it goes to 61 and then due to market crash it takes a dip and you ask those people to sell at 50 and make loss and buy at 65 is totally beyond any investor understanding. Why to keep a realized loss when they can avoid this realized loss by keeping it with patience. But this one can only do if they have believe according to the financial that this is temporary dip and its fair value is much higher than this.

I am not talking particularly people on this forum, I am talking in general. Please people on this forum do not take it personal. If they want to debate on this one, they are welcome. But my this post is not particularly about any person. Apart from pakinvestorguide, I have seen a lot of people doing this during that market crash. I think those people cannot read financial or cannot understand financial of any company.

everyone has their own trading system
Just because other people cannot understand their system doesnt mean it doesnt work
If it works for them, it shouldnt bother us.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: nadeemkhaliq on April 25, 2015, 05:21:24 PM
One of my friend holding one million shares at an average of 45 price shoot to 65 within 10 days he is very happy one thing in his mind to sold at 75 suddenly market in panic and in no time share price reaches to 44  loss of 21 million in a week in kse smart investors r thosr who change their mind quickly then when share price reaches 45 he sold all there holding in panic no profit altjough fundemental of company r same I m in stock market for last 30 years seen 1998 2005 and 2008 crashes wise people in kse r those who takes profit taking regularly otherwise out from the market no of times I have seen seasonal analyst and gurus who r seen in forum only in tezi in mandi they r out and when kse r down fundementall and technical doesnt means I have seen no of times seasonal investors who called him gurus but out of market suffering huge loss
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: hammad01 on April 25, 2015, 05:48:20 PM
There are  many people who asked in loud voice to sell PAEL at the price of 55 and then at 50 and now I am sure they will recommend people to buy at 65-66 level. I can never understand the mentality of those people. People who sold at 55 and buy at 65-66 are the winners or people who kept it at 50 and did not sell & still keeping it at 63-65 level for future growth are the winners? If you say to avoid unrealized loss, so as everyone know unrealized loss is nothing If someone knows and have faith that the price will go to lets say 80. Then a wise thing is to keep it even in temporary dips or buy it at 65. If you keep it from 50 level, it means total profit is Rs 30. If you buy at 66, profit is Rs 14 and loss is Rs 16 for not keeping it between 50 to 66 level. Brokerage cost in buying and selling and capital gain tax is other expenses. If you do not believe on your buying, then you have this kind of decisions or if you are purely a day trader and fear of 1 week unrealized loss.

Yes If you have a plan to exit from a share at some point and re-enter if it goes down to certain level. This is quite understandable. But if you buy some share at 57 and it goes to 61 and then due to market crash it takes a dip and you ask those people to sell at 50 and make loss and buy at 65 is totally beyond any investor understanding. Why to keep a realized loss when they can avoid this realized loss by keeping it with patience. But this one can only do if they have believe according to the financial that this is temporary dip and its fair value is much higher than this.

I am not talking particularly people on this forum, I am talking in general. Please people on this forum do not take it personal. If they want to debate on this one, they are welcome. But my this post is not particularly about any person. Apart from pakinvestorguide, I have seen a lot of people doing this during that market crash. I think those people cannot read financial or cannot understand financial of any company.

everyone has their own trading system
Just because other people cannot understand their system doesnt mean it doesnt work
If it works for them, it shouldnt bother us.

Completly agreed with SBM. Even I have given examples of this few days back in PAEL forum. If things are 1+1=2 (so simple) then in stock market no gain n no loss. Things are complicated brother, you earn because someone loose and you loose because some one earn.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analst on April 25, 2015, 06:15:06 PM
One of my friend holding one million shares at an average of 45 price shoot to 65 within 10 days he is very happy one thing in his mind to sold at 75 suddenly market in panic and in no time share price reaches to 44  loss of 21 million in a week in kse smart investors r thosr who change their mind quickly then when share price reaches 45 he sold all there holding in panic no profit altjough fundemental of company r same I m in stock market for last 30 years seen 1998 2005 and 2008 crashes wise people in kse r those who takes profit taking regularly otherwise out from the market no of times I have seen seasonal analyst and gurus who r seen in forum only in tezi in mandi they r out and when kse r down fundementall and technical doesnt means I have seen no of times seasonal investors who called him gurus but out of market suffering huge loss

Nadeem Sb ap ko apnay dost to buy kerwana chahiya tha 41 pa. but ap us waqat 37 ki bat ker rahay thay....

For example ap ka dost agar Analyst group to follow kerta to kia usay ya loss hota?

41 pa ap kia awaz 37 ki the or analyst Group buying ka bol raha tha. 

I am sure usay panic kernay ma sab sa bara hath ap ka ho ga.

Try to understand difference between post and pre recommendation.

 With Due Respect ,   Please don't reply blame for sake of blame and criticism or to win the argument only. if you want to reply, come with some fact , come with Analyst history. Hawa ma bat mat kerna, i request you. 
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analyst Group on April 25, 2015, 06:15:56 PM
One of my friend holding one million shares at an average of 45 price shoot to 65 within 10 days he is very happy one thing in his mind to sold at 75 suddenly market in panic and in no time share price reaches to 44  loss of 21 million in a week in kse smart investors r thosr who change their mind quickly then when share price reaches 45 he sold all there holding in panic no profit altjough fundemental of company r same I m in stock market for last 30 years seen 1998 2005 and 2008 crashes wise people in kse r those who takes profit taking regularly otherwise out from the market no of times I have seen seasonal analyst and gurus who r seen in forum only in tezi in mandi they r out and when kse r down fundementall and technical doesnt means I have seen no of times seasonal investors who called him gurus but out of market suffering huge loss
I agree with you but there are two things.

1) 2005 and 2008 market crash was totally different from recent 2015 market fall. The economy, interest rates, dollar price etc was improving. There was stock market crash due to some other reason not because of economy crash. This everyone should understand,
2) Even people who lost in 2005 and 2008 and even in 2015 where people who invested their money either in overvalued stocks or financially weak companies. Both investments are totally wrong in any circumstances.

Even I have a friend who bought 1 MM shares of PAEL at a price of 30 with the intention of selling it at a price of 75 based on Financial not technical. The share value dropped from 60 to 41 but he did not sell. On temporarily basis he had unrealized loss but after 15 days market recovered and now PAEL is at 64 and ready to reach inshaAllah 75 in the coming few weeks. At the end of the day he is the winner as he has lost zero. Plus he saved brokerage cost and capital gain payment by not selling before the target price based on financial.

People who use their common sense and who has good knowledge of financial never lost anything during this crash and even in 2005-2008 crash. But people who purely buy and sell based on technical analysis can not earn a lot in the long run. They suffer a lot especially during these times of market crashes. Technical analysis is good but only in some circumstances. But people who invest in undervalued stock of good companies in fact growing companies always have upper hand on people who invest based on technical analysis only. Drop of share value is a problem only if something happen with the financial not technical. Share value of PAEL dropped from undervalued position that is why it recovered and crossed 60 level again in no time.

Nadeem bhai, give one any one example where company has growing financial and share drops from undervalue price and never come back and cross that price again. Please do not give me example of Clover, PIBTL, Netsol, World call etc. Because when people talk about these companies I believe either they do not have financial knowledge or they did not study the financial. Therefore, Give me example of a company whose financial are growing and stock drops from undervalued position and then never come back to that level.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Dehan on April 25, 2015, 06:42:34 PM
One of my friend holding one million shares at an average of 45 price shoot to 65 within 10 days he is very happy one thing in his mind to sold at 75 suddenly market in panic and in no time share price reaches to 44  loss of 21 million in a week in kse smart investors r thosr who change their mind quickly then when share price reaches 45 he sold all there holding in panic no profit altjough fundemental of company r same I m in stock market for last 30 years seen 1998 2005 and 2008 crashes wise people in kse r those who takes profit taking regularly otherwise out from the market no of times I have seen seasonal analyst and gurus who r seen in forum only in tezi in mandi they r out and when kse r down fundementall and technical doesnt means I have seen no of times seasonal investors who called him gurus but out of market suffering huge loss

Nadeem Sb ap ko apnay dost to buy kerwana chahiya tha 41 pa. but ap us waqat 37 ki bat ker rahay thay....

For example ap ka dost agar Analyst group to follow kerta to kia usay ya loss hota?

41 pa ap kia awaz 37 ki the or analyst Group buying ka bol raha tha. 

I am sure usay panic kernay ma sab sa bara hath ap ka ho ga.

Try to understand difference between post and pre recommendation.

 With Due Respect ,   Please don't reply blame for sake of blame and criticism or to win the argument only. if you want to reply, come with some fact , come with Analyst history. Hawa ma bat mat kerna, i request you.
Kafi ho gia ha ab ye roola goola.
Baat khatam karain ab.
Koi aur baat kartay hain is k siva.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: hammad ahmed on April 25, 2015, 07:29:13 PM
i wish to take entry in pael,,,at what level  i should buy???plz help analyst group
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analst on April 25, 2015, 07:31:18 PM
One of my friend holding one million shares at an average of 45 price shoot to 65 within 10 days he is very happy one thing in his mind to sold at 75 suddenly market in panic and in no time share price reaches to 44  loss of 21 million in a week in kse smart investors r thosr who change their mind quickly then when share price reaches 45 he sold all there holding in panic no profit altjough fundemental of company r same I m in stock market for last 30 years seen 1998 2005 and 2008 crashes wise people in kse r those who takes profit taking regularly otherwise out from the market no of times I have seen seasonal analyst and gurus who r seen in forum only in tezi in mandi they r out and when kse r down fundementall and technical doesnt means I have seen no of times seasonal investors who called him gurus but out of market suffering huge loss

Nadeem Sb ap ko apnay dost to buy kerwana chahiya tha 41 pa. but ap us waqat 37 ki bat ker rahay thay....

For example ap ka dost agar Analyst group to follow kerta to kia usay ya loss hota?

41 pa ap kia awaz 37 ki the or analyst Group buying ka bol raha tha. 

I am sure usay panic kernay ma sab sa bara hath ap ka ho ga.

Try to understand difference between post and pre recommendation.

 With Due Respect ,   Please don't reply blame for sake of blame and criticism or to win the argument only. if you want to reply, come with some fact , come with Analyst history. Hawa ma bat mat kerna, i request you.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analst on April 25, 2015, 07:33:20 PM
i wish to take entry in pael,,,at what level  i should buy???plz help analyst group

Buy on dip with time horizon till December 15/or exit call from Analyst group.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analst on April 25, 2015, 07:37:57 PM
One of my friend holding one million shares at an average of 45 price shoot to 65 within 10 days he is very happy one thing in his mind to sold at 75 suddenly market in panic and in no time share price reaches to 44  loss of 21 million in a week in kse smart investors r thosr who change their mind quickly then when share price reaches 45 he sold all there holding in panic no profit altjough fundemental of company r same I m in stock market for last 30 years seen 1998 2005 and 2008 crashes wise people in kse r those who takes profit taking regularly otherwise out from the market no of times I have seen seasonal analyst and gurus who r seen in forum only in tezi in mandi they r out and when kse r down fundementall and technical doesnt means I have seen no of times seasonal investors who called him gurus but out of market suffering huge loss

Nadeem Sb ap ko apnay dost to buy kerwana chahiya tha 41 pa. but ap us waqat 37 ki bat ker rahay thay....

For example ap ka dost agar Analyst group to follow kerta to kia usay ya loss hota?

41 pa ap kia awaz 37 ki the or analyst Group buying ka bol raha tha. 

I am sure usay panic kernay ma sab sa bara hath ap ka ho ga.

Try to understand difference between post and pre recommendation.

 With Due Respect ,   Please don't reply blame for sake of blame and criticism or to win the argument only. if you want to reply, come with some fact , come with Analyst history. Hawa ma bat mat kerna, i request you.
Kafi ho gia ha ab ye roola goola.
Baat khatam karain ab.
Koi aur baat kartay hain is k siva.

Dehan Bhai,

Koi rola gola nahi hay. Ya jo log bila waja ka patwari bantay hen with out any sufficient knowledge and study. Ya logon ki hard earned money ka sath khalitay hen. kitnay log loss kertay hen in ki waja say. or bad ma apni posts filter kar ka parthan mantari ban jatay hen. is banday na 41 pa pel ki sell call de tha or next price 37 batae the. Kitnay logon ko is na barbad kia is tarha say.  ab kehta hay sell on peak and buy on dip.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Dehan on April 25, 2015, 08:51:30 PM
One of my friend holding one million shares at an average of 45 price shoot to 65 within 10 days he is very happy one thing in his mind to sold at 75 suddenly market in panic and in no time share price reaches to 44  loss of 21 million in a week in kse smart investors r thosr who change their mind quickly then when share price reaches 45 he sold all there holding in panic no profit altjough fundemental of company r same I m in stock market for last 30 years seen 1998 2005 and 2008 crashes wise people in kse r those who takes profit taking regularly otherwise out from the market no of times I have seen seasonal analyst and gurus who r seen in forum only in tezi in mandi they r out and when kse r down fundementall and technical doesnt means I have seen no of times seasonal investors who called him gurus but out of market suffering huge loss

Nadeem Sb ap ko apnay dost to buy kerwana chahiya tha 41 pa. but ap us waqat 37 ki bat ker rahay thay....

For example ap ka dost agar Analyst group to follow kerta to kia usay ya loss hota?

41 pa ap kia awaz 37 ki the or analyst Group buying ka bol raha tha. 

I am sure usay panic kernay ma sab sa bara hath ap ka ho ga.

Try to understand difference between post and pre recommendation.

 With Due Respect ,   Please don't reply blame for sake of blame and criticism or to win the argument only. if you want to reply, come with some fact , come with Analyst history. Hawa ma bat mat kerna, i request you.
Kafi ho gia ha ab ye roola goola.
Baat khatam karain ab.
Koi aur baat kartay hain is k siva.

Dehan Bhai,

Koi rola gola nahi hay. Ya jo log bila waja ka patwari bantay hen with out any sufficient knowledge and study. Ya logon ki hard earned money ka sath khalitay hen. kitnay log loss kertay hen in ki waja say. or bad ma apni posts filter kar ka parthan mantari ban jatay hen. is banday na 41 pa pel ki sell call de tha or next price 37 batae the. Kitnay logon ko is na barbad kia is tarha say.  ab kehta hay sell on peak and buy on dip.
This is forum every one has the right to express his opinion in an opinion manner. The opinion is treated as ALERT.  One should not follow blindly any ones opinion and do his own analysis for buying or selling as the outcome (gain or loss) is  solely to be sustained by him.

The dangerous thing is to give buy or sell calls or to express opinion time and again in such a manner that new bees r influenced to make decision without their own analysis.

So treat this like a forum and one should not b personal. As most of us take benefit from the information/ knowledge of others.

Please close this chapter and lets have another day.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analyst Group on April 25, 2015, 09:09:28 PM
One of my friend holding one million shares at an average of 45 price shoot to 65 within 10 days he is very happy one thing in his mind to sold at 75 suddenly market in panic and in no time share price reaches to 44  loss of 21 million in a week in kse smart investors r thosr who change their mind quickly then when share price reaches 45 he sold all there holding in panic no profit altjough fundemental of company r same I m in stock market for last 30 years seen 1998 2005 and 2008 crashes wise people in kse r those who takes profit taking regularly otherwise out from the market no of times I have seen seasonal analyst and gurus who r seen in forum only in tezi in mandi they r out and when kse r down fundementall and technical doesnt means I have seen no of times seasonal investors who called him gurus but out of market suffering huge loss

Nadeem Sb ap ko apnay dost to buy kerwana chahiya tha 41 pa. but ap us waqat 37 ki bat ker rahay thay....

For example ap ka dost agar Analyst group to follow kerta to kia usay ya loss hota?

41 pa ap kia awaz 37 ki the or analyst Group buying ka bol raha tha. 

I am sure usay panic kernay ma sab sa bara hath ap ka ho ga.

Try to understand difference between post and pre recommendation.

 With Due Respect ,   Please don't reply blame for sake of blame and criticism or to win the argument only. if you want to reply, come with some fact , come with Analyst history. Hawa ma bat mat kerna, i request you.
Kafi ho gia ha ab ye roola goola.
Baat khatam karain ab.
Koi aur baat kartay hain is k siva.

Dehan Bhai,

Koi rola gola nahi hay. Ya jo log bila waja ka patwari bantay hen with out any sufficient knowledge and study. Ya logon ki hard earned money ka sath khalitay hen. kitnay log loss kertay hen in ki waja say. or bad ma apni posts filter kar ka parthan mantari ban jatay hen. is banday na 41 pa pel ki sell call de tha or next price 37 batae the. Kitnay logon ko is na barbad kia is tarha say.  ab kehta hay sell on peak and buy on dip.
This is forum every one has the right to express his opinion in an opinion manner. The opinion is treated as ALERT.  One should not follow blindly any ones opinion and do his own analysis for buying or selling as the outcome (gain or loss) is  solely to be sustained by him.

The dangerous thing is to give buy or sell calls or to express opinion time and again in such a manner that new bees r influenced to make decision without their own analysis.

So treat this like a forum and one should not b personal. As most of us take benefit from the information/ knowledge of others.

Please close this chapter and lets have another day.
Agreed. But next time we will not tolerate if anyone talks in abusive language or bazari language. I think you have not read the post of one of the members of this forum who were using some abusing/bazari language for analyst group. That post was rightly deleted by SBM. I agree with you lets leave that topic for the time being
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: nadeemkhaliq on April 25, 2015, 10:08:12 PM
So called gurus r out of the market when pael price Down from 60.85 to 44 given  several time personnel message to me even ask and begging me to given him cell no of me for advise trapping peoples using childish approach see my previous posts where I give the target of 55 when share price traded at 26
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: nadeemkhaliq on April 25, 2015, 10:14:59 PM
One of my friend holding one million shares at an average of 45 price shoot to 65 within 10 days he is very happy one thing in his mind to sold at 75 suddenly market in panic and in no time share price reaches to 44  loss of 21 million in a week in kse smart investors r thosr who change their mind quickly then when share price reaches 45 he sold all there holding in panic no profit altjough fundemental of company r same I m in stock market for last 30 years seen 1998 2005 and 2008 crashes wise people in kse r those who takes profit taking regularly otherwise out from the market no of times I have seen seasonal analyst and gurus who r seen in forum only in tezi in mandi they r out and when kse r down fundementall and technical doesnt means I have seen no of times seasonal investors who called him gurus but out of market suffering huge loss

Nadeem Sb ap ko apnay dost to buy kerwana chahiya tha 41 pa. but ap us waqat 37 ki bat ker rahay thay....

For example ap ka dost agar Analyst group to follow kerta to kia usay ya loss hota?

41 pa ap kia awaz 37 ki the or analyst Group buying ka bol raha tha. 

I am sure usay panic kernay ma sab sa bara hath ap ka ho ga.

Try to understand difference between post and pre recommendation.

 With Due Respect ,   Please don't reply blame for sake of blame and criticism or to win the argument only. if you want to reply, come with some fact , come with Analyst history. Hawa ma bat mat kerna, i request you.
Kafi ho gia ha ab ye roola goola.
Baat khatam karain ab.
Koi aur baat kartay hain is k siva.

Dehan Bhai,

Koi rola gola nahi hay. Ya jo log bila waja ka patwari bantay hen with out any sufficient knowledge and study. Ya logon ki hard earned money ka sath khalitay hen. kitnay log loss kertay hen in ki waja say. or bad ma apni posts filter kar ka parthan mantari ban jatay hen. is banday na 41 pa pel ki sell call de tha or next price 37 batae the. Kitnay logon ko is na barbad kia is tarha say.  ab kehta hay sell on peak and buy on dip.
tumharey chakar me kitney log 75 me chakar me rahe aur phir jab index 35000 she 28500 aye aur jab tum mun chupae baithe the logo ne panic me 45 per loss kia kitne logo ki badue lo ge anyway mera yeh calibre nahi tum jaise chotey logo ke Mon lagoon bate to Asia karate ho jaise pael ko tum he chala rahe ho public me hero bante ho jab market nechey a Rand the to roz mujhe pm karte the kaho to woh pm show kar do
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analst on April 25, 2015, 10:17:47 PM
So called gurus r out of the market when pael price Down from 60.85 to 44 given  several time personnel message to me even ask and begging me to given him cell no of me for advise trapping peoples using childish approach see my previous posts where I give the target of 55 when share price traded at 26

41 pa sell call kis na de the maray bhai? Non professional baten na karo. facts pa bat karo. On record ha PAEL 37 ki price call Nadeem Khaliq ki. You just helped the ppl to book their losses.

Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analyst Group on April 25, 2015, 10:19:12 PM
So called gurus r out of the market when pael price Down from 60.85 to 44 given  several time personnel message to me even ask and begging me to given him cell no of me for advise trapping peoples using childish approach see my previous posts where I give the target of 55 when share price traded at 26
Yes I was sending personal post to you as I liked to learn some technical things that is why I asked for your cell number which has nothing to do with PAEL fall. I wanted to ask something about technical analysis for my own learning. It has nothing to do with PAEL.

For PAEL alhumdullilah we were pretty fine. Because of solid financial. Analyst Group was the only one who were asking people to have patience and hold their nerves. But You were the only who was creating panic in the forum. Ok Just write one report on PAEL based on their recent financial. You cannot because day traders cannot do so. They can only buy and sell on technical. I respected you because you are an old member. Per I think kuch log Izat le kar Sir Per char jate hain.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analst on April 25, 2015, 10:21:47 PM
So called gurus r out of the market when pael price Down from 60.85 to 44 given  several time personnel message to me even ask and begging me to given him cell no of me for advise trapping peoples using childish approach see my previous posts where I give the target of 55 when share price traded at 26
Yes I was sending personal post to you as I liked to learn some technical things that is why I asked for your cell number which has nothing to do with PAEL fall. I wanted to ask something about technical analysis for my own learning. It has nothing to do with PAEL.

For PAEL alhumdullilah we were pretty fine. Because of solid financial. Analyst Group was the only one who were asking people to have patience and hold their nerves. But You were the only who was creating panic in the forum. Ok Just write one report on PAEL based on their recent financial. You cannot because day traders cannot do so. They can only buy and sell on technical. I respected you because you are an old member. Per I think kuch log Izat le kar Sir Per char jate hain.

I doubt he has any good knowledge about technical tools.
His technical analysis starts and ends with Pan wala in juma prayer.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: nadeemkhaliq on April 25, 2015, 10:24:01 PM
Purely satta and speculation when satta finish story finish don't like to talk with below standard peoples kindly don't PM me
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analyst Group on April 25, 2015, 10:27:54 PM
Purely satta and speculation when satta finish story finish don't like to talk with below standard peoples kindly don't PM me
Please write some solid report on PAEL and then discuss. Do not talk without logic brother. I am waiting to read some solid report from your side. Day trader se  Investor wali suggestion bhi do brother kabhi. Logo ko 48 per sell ki call de kar 65 per buy ki call kahan gi guidance hai brother.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: nadeemkhaliq on April 25, 2015, 10:30:14 PM
I have seen no of times in past 30 years so called gurus who take entry like u and out of the market seen your patience when u r in panic out of your 300 post appx 280 post r same where u repeat level two of 75
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analst on April 25, 2015, 10:31:33 PM
Purely satta and speculation when satta finish story finish don't like to talk with below standard peoples kindly don't PM me
Please write some solid report on PAEL and then discuss. Do not talk without logic brother. I am waiting to read some solid report from your side. Day trader se  Investor wali suggestion bhi do brother kabhi. Logo ko 48 per sell ki call de kar 65 per buy ki call kahan gi guidance hai brother.

Bhai meray, professionally and morally weak person always make comments on one's personality. Being a Muslim and human being it does not suit me to comment on ur personality and standard. Still i will criticize on your incorrect predictions which made ppl cry, just like one of your friend whose story  shared by you few moments before.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analyst Group on April 25, 2015, 10:33:31 PM
I have seen no of times in past 30 years so called gurus who take entry like u and out of the market seen your patience when u r in panic out of your 300 post appx 280 post r same where u repeat level two of 75
Credit goes to you. You were spreading panic brother and I was posting this post to keep patience in the people so that they do not make big losses and believe me it helped people alot in saving them from losses. You can check on the forum with people.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: nadeemkhaliq on April 25, 2015, 10:35:01 PM
Purely satta and speculation when satta finish story finish don't like to talk with below standard peoples kindly don't PM me
Please write some solid report on PAEL and then discuss. Do not talk without logic brother. I am waiting to read some solid report from your side. Day trader se  Investor wali suggestion bhi do brother kabhi. Logo ko 48 per sell ki call de kar 65 per buy ki call kahan gi guidance hai brother.
mere bhai technical analysis to me ne apne house me driver ko bhi Sikha di he ap us se sekh le 65 me le kar me 100% sure hu 68 per sale ho jaye ga lek an 75 me chaker me jin logo ka loss hw he un ki badue ap ko market se out kar de ge inshaallah
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analst on April 25, 2015, 10:37:14 PM
Purely satta and speculation when satta finish story finish don't like to talk with below standard peoples kindly don't PM me
Please write some solid report on PAEL and then discuss. Do not talk without logic brother. I am waiting to read some solid report from your side. Day trader se  Investor wali suggestion bhi do brother kabhi. Logo ko 48 per sell ki call de kar 65 per buy ki call kahan gi guidance hai brother.
mere bhai technical analysis to me ne apne house me driver ko bhi Sikha di he ap us se sekh le 65 me le kar me 100% sure hu 68 per sale ho jaye ga lek an 75 me chaker me jin logo ka loss hw he un ki badue ap ko market se out kar de ge inshaallah

Nadeem  abhi jana nahi ma ap ki post yahen la raha hon. jihon na logon ko barbad kia hay. shayad ap bhol jatay hen post kar ka. but hamen ap ki har post yad hay. wait karen ak min.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analyst Group on April 25, 2015, 10:37:32 PM
Purely satta and speculation when satta finish story finish don't like to talk with below standard peoples kindly don't PM me
Please write some solid report on PAEL and then discuss. Do not talk without logic brother. I am waiting to read some solid report from your side. Day trader se  Investor wali suggestion bhi do brother kabhi. Logo ko 48 per sell ki call de kar 65 per buy ki call kahan gi guidance hai brother.
mere bhai technical analysis to me ne apne house me driver ko bhi Sikha di he ap us se sekh le 65 me le kar me 100% sure hu 68 per sale ho jaye ga lek an 75 me chaker me jin logo ka loss hw he un ki badue ap ko market se out kar de ge inshaallah
Ok just bring one guy from this forum who had loss because of analyst group. Just bring one guy friend. But I can see a lot of people who had losses due to your selling call due to panic at the time of market crash.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: nadeemkhaliq on April 25, 2015, 10:49:06 PM
Mere bhai Zara detail se last two years post parhe ap pasta chal jay game mere buy calls and target price ka me to 30 sal se market chala rahs hn abhi bhi apney ko new comer samajhta Han ap to 3 maheney me champion ban gy aur agley 3 mahineh bad gahib jab stock market cherry to mere pass ana me ap ka fundamental analyst baney ka khuwab pora kar do ga Banat man lo jab market girti he to no fundamentals and technical works itni achi movie s rahi he who dekh raha ho or yeh post mera mobile se Mera driver post kar raha he Jise ap ki Torah analyst baney ka shok he by the way sahib poch rahe he ye analyst I'd ap ki he yah ap ka cha cha he
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analyst Group on April 25, 2015, 10:53:59 PM
Mere bhai Zara detail se last two years post parhe ap pasta chal jay game mere buy calls and target price ka me to 30 sal se market chala rahs hn abhi bhi apney ko new comer samajhta Han ap to 3 maheney me champion ban gy aur agley 3 mahineh bad gahib jab stock market cherry to mere pass ana me ap ka fundamental analyst baney ka khuwab pora kar do ga Banat man lo jab market girti he to no fundamentals and technical works itni achi movie s rahi he who dekh raha ho or yeh post mera mobile se Mera driver post kar raha he Jise ap ki Torah analyst baney ka shok he by the way sahib poch rahe he ye analyst I'd ap ki he yah ap ka cha cha he
Yes I agree jaab market girti hai to no fundamental and technical work for sometime. But jo fundamentally strong shares hote hain and undervalue position se neche ate hain wo wapis bhi a jate hain. App ke 30 saal ke experience ne aap ko yehi nai sikhaya. Clover, Netsol, SPL, PIBTL se bahir niklo to fundamentally strong share ki samajh ai aap ko brother.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: nadeemkhaliq on April 25, 2015, 10:58:32 PM
Masla yeh he bhai admi loss kar me sekhta he hum ne to Allah ka shukar he sekh ly ap bhi jab loss karo ge sekh jao ge
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analyst Group on April 25, 2015, 11:01:48 PM
Masla yeh he bhai admi loss kar me sekhta he hum ne to Allah ka shukar he sekh ly ap bhi jab loss karo ge sekh jao ge
brother main pakinvestor per new hon stock market maain nai. jaab join kia tha KSE and US market us waqt losses kar ke ye fundamental wali baat sikh li thi aaj se kafi saal pehle jaab ap ne stock market join bhi nai ki thi
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: nadeemkhaliq on April 25, 2015, 11:07:23 PM
Bhai mera to baab Dada 1960 yeh hi kam kar rahe he mujhe to khuwab me bhi shares me ratehi ate he eestate ki choro kse market sekhne he to CV mujhe sent kar do aur 75 pael ki target price ke sath profit taking ka bhi kaho
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analyst Group on April 25, 2015, 11:10:08 PM
Bhai mera to baab Dada 1960 yeh hi kam kar rahe he mujhe to khuwab me bhi shares me ratehi ate he eestate ki choro kse market sekhne he to CV mujhe sent kar do aur 75 pael ki target price ke sath profit taking ka bhi kaho
Sure agar kabhi day trading karni hui to definitely app se consult karon ga brother. Day trading aap se ziada kese ati hai
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: nadeemkhaliq on April 25, 2015, 11:14:20 PM
Me inizar karo ga day trading me inshaallah itna kama do ga me bank ki service ki zarorat nahi pare ge yeh promise he mera
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analyst Group on April 25, 2015, 11:14:55 PM
Me inizar karo ga day trading me inshaallah itna kama do ga me bank ki service ki zarorat nahi pare ge yeh promise he mera
Sure brother
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: nadeemkhaliq on April 25, 2015, 11:18:49 PM
Waiting for ur reply thanks
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: RazaNaqvi on April 26, 2015, 02:37:45 AM
Nadeem bhai, analyst group, dehan, analyst. appp logg asa keroo ge tou hum logon ka kia hoga:P.   jahan tak iss baat ka sawal hai ke kon kitna loss kiska kerwa raha hai tou har kio apna zimedar hai at the end of the day. nadeem bhai ke bari spot on calls hoti hain and kio akalmund hoga tou profit taking bhi karlaiga, and jahan tak apka point hai anaylst group that is also very valid ke fundamentally strong companies ke he peche jana chaye apni bhi research kerke. pael electron ka he example sae hai, jab 45 se 65 hua, usse phele he profit taking kerleni chaye thi jisne bhi sae time per lia tha kuke it was bound to fall after increasing so much and very long term investment is also not intelligent, as warren buffet says "we r all dead in long term" , lekin agar nahe kia profit book or gir gaya then bilkul nahe nikalna chaye tha, kuke jisne lia hai usse fundamentals ka tou pata hona chaye, werna tou usko investment kerni he nahe chaye, kuke at the end of the day we r not gambling, we r investing. and app logon ki calls r obvs for everyones benefits but u guys r not fortune tellers, agar asa hota tou abhi hum sab app logon ke brokerage house me account khulwa rahay hotay:D. i recently joined this forum and found that there is quite a bit happening here, good info flow, good calls, sometimes bad ones but one should always listen per dehan tou apna apna as "dehan" says:P.
anyways be happy and u guys r great and we appreciate ur help. thank you. inshallah sab ka bhetar hoga anay wala time:D
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: space on April 26, 2015, 07:55:48 AM
GUYS - STOP FIGHTING PLEASE

@Nadeem @Analyst I do not know the history between the two of you, and so I am pretty much as unbiased as can be, I heard there were a few people constantly fighting on the PAEL thread and so admins decided to LOCK the PAEL thread, and moved your "fight' to this thread, now if you boyz want to talk about technicals and fundamentals that is totally fine, but if you guys continue to only hurl accusations at each other and fight then I refuse to LOCK more threads, instead I will ban both your accounts from posting on any thread. HATE EACH OTHER ALL YOU WANT just keep the dislike off the forum pages.

@Nadeem you have vented your feelings and @analyst so have you. SO KINDLY STOP, don't force me to take steps which I do not want to.

THIS WILL SERVE AS THE FIRST AND FINAL WARNING.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Analyst Group on April 26, 2015, 09:44:17 AM
GUYS - STOP FIGHTING PLEASE

@Nadeem @Analyst I do not know the history between the two of you, and so I am pretty much as unbiased as can be, I heard there were a few people constantly fighting on the PAEL thread and so admins decided to LOCK the PAEL thread, and moved your "fight' to this thread, now if you boyz want to talk about technicals and fundamentals that is totally fine, but if you guys continue to only hurl accusations at each other and fight then I refuse to LOCK more threads, instead I will ban both your accounts from posting on any thread. HATE EACH OTHER ALL YOU WANT just keep the dislike off the forum pages.

@Nadeem you have vented your feelings and @analyst so have you. SO KINDLY STOP, don't force me to take steps which I do not want to.

THIS WILL SERVE AS THE FIRST AND FINAL WARNING.
Sure
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: 007 on April 27, 2015, 12:18:36 PM
 :bangin:
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Arsalan on April 27, 2015, 02:09:29 PM
one word= vanity

Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Ahmedkhan on October 02, 2015, 09:25:53 AM
Mere khayal se Fundamental analysis jo ha long term k lias se boht behtreen ha kiu k jo bhe market kare akhir mai who Fundamental pay hi chalti ha magar agar hum scalper hain to Technical analysis boht zaroori ha who hume short profit asani se dila sakti ha. Abhe mai technical analysis learn karne ki koshish mai laga hua hon kiu k Fundamental ki mujhe koi tension nahi ha OctaFX broker ki waja se ya log mujhe daily report provide karte hain jis se mere lia boht easy hojata ha sab.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: SimonKatich on December 02, 2015, 03:58:41 AM
Maine bhe OctaFX k analysis use karna shuru kardia hain AhmedKhan aur ap ka boht shukria k apne itna acha suggestion dia warna mai kafi time se OctaFX k sath work kar rah tha magar maine pehle kabhi analysis use nahi keya tha magar jab se ap k suggestion ko follow keya ha abhe starting days mai hi mujhe kafi zada profit hua ha aur mai umeed karonga agay bhe aisa hi chale ga aur sach mai ya broker waqai best ha.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: aliusama on December 02, 2015, 11:24:55 AM
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nice discussion
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: SimonKatich on December 13, 2015, 06:27:48 AM
Dono ki aimeyat boht ha kiu k sirf ek ko use kar k hum expert ki tara nahi ban sakte magar Fundamental zada dependable ha par difficult bhe yahi ha. Mai khud sirf Technical analysis karleta hon jo mujhe baby pips ne sikhaya ha aur baki Fundamental ko mai mere broker OctaFX pay chor deta hon kiu k in ki expert team cover karti ha jis se trading karna boht hi asan hojata ha aur profits consistently earn kar sakta hon is waja se.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Rizwan khan on January 09, 2016, 03:23:03 AM
Mujhe lagta ha k Fundamental analysis zada faidemand ha magar sab se muskil bhe is mai hi hoti ha. Maine dono tariko se analysis karna sikha ha FreshForex k Forex Education Section (https://freshforex.com/training/interactive/) se kiu k yahan boht achi tara samjhaya gaya ha jis se har insan sahi tarike se sikh sakta ha aur ise trading karna kafi seedha hojata ha.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Ahmedkhan on January 25, 2016, 09:52:11 AM
Dono hi zaroori ha aur agar kisi ko itna idea nhi ha to ise koshish karnie chai yak demo account pay pehle try kare aur jab bar bar profit earn karne lage tab hi ja kar phir real account mai start karna chaiya tab hi kuch hasil kar sake ga. Mai abhe OctaFX broker k sath kam kar rah hon jo free daily market analysis deta ha aur ise istemal kar k hum aram se kam kar sakte hain jis se trading boht asan hojati ha.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Rizwan khan on February 14, 2016, 02:59:42 AM
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GBP/USD hafte k shuru mai boht dabao mai rahi aur is waja se hume ise 200-250 pips girte hue dekha magar hafte k khtam hone tak recovery bhe hogaye aura b phir se 1.45 k opar bethi hui ha price magar abhe kuch kehna waqt zaya karne wali baat hogi kiu k abhe koi clear trend nahi ha aur ane wale week hum shayad neutral trend dekhe gay.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: forexman on February 17, 2016, 12:33:24 PM
Analysis chahe technical ho ya fundamental, hona reliable chahiye. Main to jo Forex Analytics (https://freshforex.com/analitics/) use karta hoon wo boht zabardast hota hai aur trading mei boht help milti hai us say.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Ahmedkhan on February 22, 2016, 01:07:01 AM
Mai bhe is baaat pay agree karonga k analysis kisi bhe tarike k karle banda magar reliable hone chaiya jo sab se zaroori ha. Mai abhi technical analysis pays focus kar rah on aur baki fundamental to mai aur bhe asani se karleta hon OctaFX broker ki waja se kiu k in ki service boht achi hoti ha aur abhe tak mujhe sirf faida hi faida hua ha ya free service istemal karne mai to ya sab se behtar hoga.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: forexman on March 30, 2016, 10:12:43 AM
Bilkul sahi keh rahe ho Acha broker jo b service free day uska pura faida uthana chahiye. Main b yehi karta hu k free services (https://freshforex.com/) se faida utha liya jaye q k us mei nuqsan to nahi hota kam az kam.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Ahmedkhan on May 17, 2016, 07:54:57 AM
Forexman sahi baat ha magar ek aur cheez bhe hume yaad rakhnie chaiya k service chahe jitney bhe achi kiu na ho hume khud ka bhe ek zain bana kar rakhna chaiya aur in chezo se sirf madad lenie chaiya na k puri tara se follow karna. Mai filhaal OctaFX broker k sath kam kar rah hon aur yahan mai daily analysis use karta hon jese k maine kaha magar phir bhe apne khud ki bhe strategy rakhta hon jese trading asan hoti ha.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: shahmmd on May 22, 2016, 02:40:40 AM
In general, technical analysis is used for a trade, whereas fundamental analysis is used to make an investment. Investors buy assets they believe can increase in value, while traders buy assets they believe they can sell to somebody else at a greater price.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Ahmedkhan on May 26, 2016, 02:59:46 PM
Shahmd apne sahi kaha aur mere khayal mai hume koshish karnie chaiya k hum har tarike k analysis karein kiu k ise zada profit hone k chance honge warna agar hum ek hi tara k analysis pay lage rahi gay to risk barhe ga aur profit kamane mai muskil hogi. Filhaal mai OctaFX broker k sath kam kar rah hon jo mujhe Fundamental analysis mai help karta ha daily update se aur technical analysis mai khud karta hon to ise aram se acha khasa profit hojata ha.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Rizwan khan on August 16, 2016, 11:12:21 PM
Ek successful trader k lia dono hi zaroori ha sirf ek se kam nahi chal sakta kiu k ek tarika boht hi zada risky ha to hume dono hi rakhna pare ga sath sath. Mai filhaal Technical analysis karleta hon asani se aur Fundamental k lia mai FreshForex broker ki madad leta hon jis k sath mai pechle 6 saal se kam kar rah hon aur boht achi service dete hain.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: kuki on August 17, 2016, 04:34:41 PM
Ek successful trader k lia dono hi zaroori ha sirf ek se kam nahi chal sakta kiu k ek tarika boht hi zada risky ha to hume dono hi rakhna pare ga sath sath. Mai filhaal Technical analysis karleta hon asani se aur Fundamental k lia mai FreshForex broker ki madad leta hon jis k sath mai pechle 6 saal se kam kar rah hon aur boht achi service dete hain.
dear Rizwan tell me if you have any experience with ichimoku cloud on forex.i read so many praise over forex factory. would it be enough to observe and get a  4h signal using Ichimoku and then  accordingly wait for 5 minute signal.what you say.
also tell me if this can be used for PSX stocks
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Ahmedkhan on September 03, 2016, 01:15:59 PM
Technical analysis karna zada asan ha magar job he tarika istemal karein hume ya cheez ki koshish karnie hogi k hum sahi tara karein. Filhaal mai sirf Technical analysis istemal karta hon aur baki Fundamental analysis k lia mai mere broker OctaFX pay depend karta hoon jo khas tor pay in k features ki waja se ha jis mai educational setup aur aisi kahin cheze shamil hain aur mujhe kam karne mai kafi madad deti ha aur mai aram se profit kama sakta hon.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: JavedAkhtar on October 05, 2016, 07:26:55 AM
Koi bhe analysis ho agar hum sochte hain k asan hoga to ya humari boht hi bari galti hogi kiu k koi be analysis sirf tab hi keya ja sakta ha jab hum ise samjhe aur tab hi hume faida mumkin ha. Filhaal mai bhe OctaFX broker k sath kam kar rah hon jahan mai sukoon se kam kar sakta hon khas tor pay in k analysis ki waja se jo boht madad aur kafi accurate bhe ha to ise follow karne se mai aram se profit kama sakta hon.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: SameerKhan on December 07, 2016, 08:33:08 PM
Achi tara trading karne k lia hume zaroorat ha k dono hi cheze sahi tara se karein tabhi ja kar hum profit kama sakein gay warna agar hum ek cheez pay focus karein gay to phir kam karna boht muskil hojai ga. Wese to mai koshish karta hoon k ya sab khud hi karoon magar mera broker Alpari ha. Yahan sab kuch milta ha http://alpari.com/hi/analytics/ section se to mujhe zada mehnat karne ki zaroorat hi nahi parhti aur mai sukoon se profit kama sakta hon.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Rizwan khan on December 26, 2016, 11:16:24 PM
Hume dono karna chaiya kiu k ise hi hum sab se zada profit kama sakte hain. Mai Technical analysis aram se karleta hon magar Fundamental analysis k lia mai FreshForex broker pay depend karta hoon in ki expert service ki waja se jo accurate to ha hi magar free bhe ha!
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: SameerKhan on January 26, 2017, 05:34:10 PM
Rizwan apne sahi kaha agar hume waqai successful ban na ha aur aisi tara se profits kamana ha to phir Fundamental aur Technical dono hi sahi se karna sikhna hoga tab hi ja kar ya mumkin hoga. Mere lia to kuch bhe muskil nahi ha kiu k mai Alpari broker k sath kam kar rah hoon jis ki waja se mujhe daily market reviews, analysis aur free signals milti hain aur is k ilawa in ka videshee mudra trading platforms (http://alpari.com/hi/platforms/) ki to baat hi alag ha kiu k ya boht zada smooth ha aur boht madad karta ha trading karne mai.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Ahmedkhan on February 22, 2017, 01:47:00 AM
Koi bhe banda jo trading mai success hasil karna chahe ga ise ya samajhne mai muskil nahi honie chaiya k Fundamental aur Technical ya dono hi Forex k pillars hain aur in dono ki hume zaroorat ha kiu k ek se shayad hum kuch time k lia khare hojai magar hamesha k lia nahi magar agar humne dono sahi se karna sikh lia to ya lifetime business ban sakta ha. Mere lia ya kafi asan ha OctaFX broker ki waja se kiu k yahan daily updates k zariya boht asani hojati ha!
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Rizwan khan on February 23, 2017, 05:59:09 PM
Dono zaroori ha magar sab se zada zaroori Fundamental analysis ha kiu k ya itna powerful ha k is mai boht tez movement hojati ha jab k technical mai movement kam rehti hain. Mai Technical hi try karta hoon kiu k FreshForex broker k sath mujhe Fundamental updates free ki milti hain daily jis se kam asan hojata ha.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Ahmedkhan on February 25, 2017, 11:47:25 PM
Ya har kisi ko pata hoga k analysis har tarike ka zaroori ha warna possible hi nahi ha k koi successful ho. Mai indicators sahi tara istemal karta hoon aur Fundamental pay bhe koshish kar rah hoon control le kar ane ki jis mai bhe asani hojati ha jis ki main waja ha OctaFX broker aur in ki service jis mai daily market news ka feature tak shamil ha to ise trade karne mai kafi asani hojati ha aur mai regularly profit kama leta hon.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: SameerKhan on May 25, 2017, 11:31:52 PM
Ahmed mai bhe OctaFX broker k sath kam kar rah hoon aur ise behtar koi company ho nahi sakti. Ya log har tarike se behtar hain aur is k ilawa yahan aur bhe kahin sare benefits hain phir chahe kam spreads ho, daily market updates ho ya phir rebate program yahan sab kuch ha. Is hi lia agar analysis na bhe karein tab hi hum achi tara se gain kar sakte hain aur bina koi masle k successful ban sakte hain.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: SimonKatich on August 19, 2017, 02:47:19 AM
Forex mai 3 tara k analysis hote hain jis mai se sab se behtar jo hota ha woh ha Fundamental analysis kiu k ya reality pay base hojata ha aur is mai realistic point of view se trading kari jati ha. Fundamental analysis ka matlab ha k hum sirf news ko follow kar k trading karte hain. Ya boht hi muskil tarika ha aur is k ilawa boht zada experience chaiya hota ha. Mai bhe OctaFX broker k sath kam kar rah hoon jin k zariya ya karna kafi zada asan ha.
Title: Re: Fundamental analysis vs Technical analysis
Post by: Rizwan khan on September 08, 2017, 03:55:20 AM
Hume dono hi chaiya aur jitni achi tarike se hum analysis karein gay itni hi achi tara se hum gain bhe kar sakein gay. Mere lia ya boht zada asan ha kiu k mai FreshForex broker k sath kam kar rah hoon jin ki expert service hume puri market ki updates aur guide deti ha. Is k ilawa yahan hum $200 No Deposit Bonus (https://freshforex.com/traders/promotion/welcome-bonus-200.html) jesi scheme bhe istemal ka sakte hain.